Obama will pick Dimon as Treasury Secretary

[Gneisenau]

Originally Posted by tool_462

Universal healthcare is less costly to the government AND the people who are covered by it. Paul Krugman has a few good articles on this and it is interesting to see general healthcare indicators (such as infant mortality rate and life expectancy) in the US dropping yearly in the world ranks.

Basic universal healthcare facts: The Case for Universal Health Care in the United States

Universal heath care may be cheaper. I really have my doubts that our government could do anything on that scale that didn't bloat it to the point of uselessness. What we would get is an expanded VA and that is the last thing I want to be involved with. However the easy way to kill it is to require our politicians to participate in it also. If it's good enough for us, by god it better be good enough for them.

[BaldEagle]

Originally Posted by tool_462

Universal healthcare is less costly to the government AND the people who are covered by it. Paul Krugman has a few good articles on this and it is interesting to see general healthcare indicators (such as infant mortality rate and life expectancy) in the US dropping yearly in the world ranks.

Basic universal healthcare facts: The Case for Universal Health Care in the United States

Once you control 100% of the market you can dictate what rates are and of course have 100% control over costs. With universal health care many without care will then get care increasing their life expectancy and reducing infant mortality rates. With proper medical care who knows how many of those crack babies could be saved by jailing the mothers. Yes they will, under universal health care have the right to mandadate the care for those babies including incarcerating the mother.

Of course those already with care will then get much less of it as you cannot add millions without removing something. With government in charge it will eventually degenerate into a cost vs reward equation so older people with serious medical issues will die so youger people who pay taxes can be helped. Heart transplant at age 40 gets thumbs up as they have another 15 years to pay taxes but at 70 they get a thumbs down because they are retired and sucking up money that could help someone younger. Liver, Kidney, skin grafts for burns, etc... consult the tables in Appendix A for age and income requirements for approved procedures.

Serious injury resulting in paralysis? Temporary or permanent? Do they keep them on machines or pull the plug? You don't make any decisions some government official will tell you what's going to happen after consulting Appendix A.

Careful what you wish for as you may get it and it won't be what you though it was going to be.

[DaSickNinja]

That's what a DPA is for.

[BaldEagle]

Originally Posted by DaSickNinja

That's what a DPA is for.

HUH?
DPA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DPA???

[DaSickNinja]

Durable Power of Attorney.

[Gneisenau]

Originally Posted by DaSickNinja

That's what a DPA is for.

So, what does the Danish Pedophile Association have to do with this???

[BaldEagle]

Originally Posted by DaSickNinja

Durable Power of Attorney.

You presume that you will have a choice.

With nationalized health care everyone is covered by the government as the "provider and what is paid for, for whom it will be paid for, and how much will be paid, are all dictated by the "provider" (government) based on a standard table.

Now if we end up with socialized medicine then an individuals "contribution" to society will therefore determine their level of care required so Congress can still have the finest health plan because they are the most "important" members of society.

In contrast private insurance companies base rates upon the health of the individuals or groups and then provide uniform coverage for all members.