Frozen mice cloned - are woolly mammoths next?

[Clue69Less]

Tool, the temp of the North Pole has been rising of late but the South Pole has been cooling. If you look at the surface temp data for the Atlantic Ocean, it's been rising and the data correlates fairly well with the intensity (not frequency) of major tropical storms. As far as I can tell, pubs related to tropical storm intensity are the most solid in the current literature. Sorry, too rushed to go pull the refs off my laptop but I'm talking about broadly peer-reviewed major pubs from the last decade that have few serious detractors.

You can search the NCAR and NOAA websites for recent pubs. They put out a huge study in early '07 that was the first real attempt to correlate the human factors such as greenhouse gases, fossil fuel combustion, etc., into the global heat history measurements. It claimed that human factors are having a measurable and harmful effect on the environment. But, the backlash from the community has been significant and pointed. That is, the opinions expressed in the article are not universally accepted by top researchers. Many claim that the number of temperature and airflow sensors required to come to definitive conclusions about climate change are in the range ot 1000 to 1 million more than are currently available on earth. That is, the system is chaotic and many more simultantous measurements are required since the delta-Ts are small.

I did a visiting scientist stint with NCAR during the Mirage and Intex-B missions and was very surprised to see how many of the world's top climate change scientists were very wary of public perception. Many believe that the paranoia has been metered out by the scientific community just to sustain research programs.

Imagine that!

[tool_462]

You can search the NCAR and NOAA websites for recent pubs. They put out a huge study in early '07 that was the first real attempt to correlate the human factors such as greenhouse gases, fossil fuel combustion, etc., into the global heat history measurements. It claimed that human factors are having a measurable and harmful effect on the environment. But, the backlash from the community has been significant and pointed. That is, the opinions expressed in the article are not universally accepted by top researchers. Many claim that the number of temperature and airflow sensors required to come to definitive conclusions about climate change are in the range ot 1000 to 1 million more than are currently available on earth. That is, the system is chaotic and many more simultantous measurements are required since the delta-Ts are small.

I did a visiting scientist stint with NCAR during the Mirage and Intex-B missions and was very surprised to see how many of the world's top climate change scientists were very wary of public perception. Many believe that the paranoia has been metered out by the scientific community just to sustain research programs.

Imagine that!

Yeah, well said. That is basically what I was getting at but was too rushed and incoherent to quantify my thoughts into digestable words

Like I was saying, even the scientists don't agree on everything

The biggest consensus is that human factors change the environment (obviously) but the effects of such change are where the insecurity lies.

My "Arctic" Archaeology & my Cultural Ecology professors do research with ice coring and measurements of CO2 & CFCs etc, pretty cool stuff they do.

For those that don't know, they basically take a core of ice out of a glacier and for one, they can chart yearly temperatures, snowfall and any large volcanic eruptions over the last 220-300kya but they can also correlate each band to a year and by counting back (more or less) they can determine where they are in time and extract bubbles that are frozen in the ice and use them as basically a time capsule of atmospheric gas levels from thousands of years ago

[Sailer]

Oh man, I would love to visit Jurassic Park!

Now which would be your favorite animal, T-Rex or the Raptors?

And which of the above might think you're the most tasty treat they've had for the past hour?